Censored by Marty: The Conversation Stops Here edition

I have a collection of comments I’ve posted to Marty Rathbun’s blog that have been Censored by Marty™. I generally don’t share them here as that seems a little indulgent, but this last one was rather interesting as it gives insight into where Marty draws the line.

In reply to the blog post Pride and Joy, Marty allowed me to engage in conversation with his loyal flock about DM’s motivations, and to express my agreement that DM’s latest alleged operation against Marty and Mike was childish and wrong. Go to the post and search for Caliwog to see the exchange.

But the following comment of mine apparently crossed the line:

@Shelly:

>If there were no Scientology, DM would be involved in some other heinous assault against humanity.

Agreed. He’s a sadistic little twerp. You can see it in his demeanor, even when he’s presenting his public “PR” image.

@Theo:

I am all too familiar with [the tone scale] 🙂 and I agree with your assessment of DM as 1.1. It amazes me that Church members don’t spot that more easily.

Where I disagree with most Independents is on the basic purposes of Scientology. See, I do think that Scientology is about controlling people. I don’t think LRH’s aims were altruistic. When you live in the real world, the wog world, it’s easy to see that most of the beneficial bits of the “tech” were sourced elsewhere, and the rest is filler made of sci-fi nonsense and outright lies. What’s the difference between DM’s leadership and LRH’s? DM lacks LRH’s subtlety and patience.

LRH had his followers adapt a mindset, an altered reality, that he draped over his followers like a bedsheet. DM is greedy, he goes out-gradient, he stresses the fabric of deceit and that creates rips and tears through which church-goers can see small bits of the truth – just enough to know there’s something else out there. Blaming DM rather than LRH is an easy (although logical) intermediate step on the path out.

What’s the real difference between DM and LRH? DM never claimed to “discover” any of the tech (only to refine it). But if you look at the history of the Church, you’ll see that the nonsense being pulled on Marty and Mike was just as likely to happen in the late 60s and early 70s as it is now. DM is working on the operating basis established by LRH… he’s just not as good at it.

ML,
Caliwog

And what do you know – while everything I wrote against DM and in support of Marty stayed, this comment was censored.

I posted a follow-up:

Ah, Marty, you censored my reply. Wouldn’t want the followers reading alternative views about LRH – what if they start thinking for themselves?

VWD*, Marty; DM and LRH would be proud of you.

Caliwog

Needless to say, Marty censored that comment, too. 🙂

*VWD: Very Well Done, a common Scientology compliment.

“To censor, to cut someone else’s communication, is to imply that the listener has a weak ability to discern true and helpful information from false and harmful information. It is insulting and degrading.” — Mac Stevens, former (?) Scientologist

ML,
Caliwog

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3 responses to “Censored by Marty: The Conversation Stops Here edition

  1. marty is really starting to get on my nerves….under my skin….yuck

  2. Mirna Minkoff

    What I really wonder is if having to face some reality, in the comments he censors from his easily led flock, will eventually have an effect on Ol’Marty. He has to read these hard truths in the comments people leave, even if he manages to shield himself from the “natter” (i.e. the truth) all over the web.
    Marty “blew” the cult twice – and it was because he had very serious doubts about the tech (not DM). It’s also been said after he returned following his second blow, when he went for the “gift of LRH training” on the Freewinds – he was constantly monitored and brainwashed into complete compliance by Mr. Greg Wilhere. We are talking years of Joburgs, FPR, Sec-checks, etc.. and after all that he was “allowed” to read all the wonderful works of LRH. It obviously broke his brain – maybe for good. However, I do wonder if enough frying pans of truth to the face might eventually breakthrough the programming. I don’t hold out a lot of hope, esp. now that he seems to be going for the ego stroking and meglomanical kick of being the (gag) new messiah of “real” Scientology. He now has a vested interest in towing the line, esp now former easy marks of the cult are now the easy marks of Marty and quite comfortably funding his little mission and pumping up his ego like its their job.
    Saddest part is that you can kind of see that Marty tried testing the waters of the world outside of Scientology (i.e reality) at one point, hell he even seems to have read a few books not by LRH – but now that’s over and he’s back to the mindset that fits him like a old glove and that’s he’s most comfortable wearing. Waking up from the reality that you wasted the best years of your life, and committed awful crimes, is a hard pill to swallow. One it seems Marty will never be able to choke down. Besides its much easier to find a scapegoat in DM, rather than facing the fact that the real problem is the perverted and ridiculous philosophy created by your hero. A philosophy invented for the sole purpose of controlling and manipulating the weak minded, or emotional vulnerable, and after all this its still got Marty under its spell.

  3. That’s why I keep posting comments, even the ones I know will be censored. Marty has to read them to censor them. Getting Marty out, while a long shot, would be a tremendous “win” for those of us who want to spread the real truth about Scientology. So if I can do something to help that along, I will.

    Caliwog

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