Monthly Archives: November 2010

Response to OTDT

I’m writing this as a response to this comment on Marty’s blog from a user named OTDT.

OTDT, you raise some good questions, and I’ll do my best to explain where I’m coming from. Sorry if it gets a bit long-winded, but that’s just me.

First of all, please understand that I believe that Scientology is a destructive group. This comes from my own experience learning the tech (originally as a WISE company employee, and I went on from there) and observations of several friends and acquaintances who are Scientologists. I should add that the Scientologists I know best are all Church-affiliated and public (a couple ex-Sea Org) and aside from one who occasionally grumbles about the cost, all seem pretty happy with Scientology.

My observations of these folks – the decisions they make, what they believe to be true, what they believe to be lies, how they are alike and how they are different – along with my observations about LRH and the tech were what led me to the belief that Scientology is a destructive group. Now, I should add that there were things I liked about the Admin Tech, and in learning about auditing and processing from my friends, I recognized “wog” psychotherapeutic techniques that I knew worked. Still, on balance I realized that Scientology is destructive, and this was a conclusion I came to long before I heard of Marty’s Independent movement.

Out of respect to my friends, I have always kept the extent of my views to myself, only saying that I didn’t think Scientology was for me. (That’s part of why I use a pseudonym, by the way.) Every single one respected and continues to respect that. No one ever tried to push me to become a Scientologist, although one or two expressed the belief that I’d come around some day. They were, and are, fine people. And that, by the way, is part of why I feel the way I do about Scientology – my viewpoint that LRH has manipulated such wonderful, big-hearted people makes me angry.

Okay, so let’s move on to Marty.

My feelings about Marty formed when I realized that he was lying about LRH and DM and censoring those who pointed out the misinformation. I felt, and still feel, that Marty is lying to his followers as well as new public who don’t know any better. I should add that I don’t necessarily think that Marty is lying out of true malice (although some days I’m not so sure). I believe he’s lying because of a) his belief about what is entheta, what is suppression, and how they should be treated and b) because he was trained in the culture of current Co$ management.

Now, the fact that Marty is lying to his followers is inconsequential. That may sound harsh, but the fact is that most Scientologists (Church-affiliated or independent) tune out criticism of LRH. They’ve been conditioned to label it as hate speech and vitriol (or, in the case of Marty’s followers, a subversive act by DM). It makes me angry that Marty lies to the people who trust him to tell the truth, and that anger sometimes comes out in what I write*, but there’s nothing I can do about it. Scientologists won’t hear the truth until they are ready, and that change almost always comes from within, not from without. Sad as it makes me, frustrating as it is, I do not believe that there is a whole heck of a lot I can do to get Scientologists to see LRH and Scientology the way I (and other so-called “Scientology haters”) do. They have to discover it for themselves.

* HE&R is not a bad thing. It’s what makes us human.

But lying to the outside world is another story. Marty does much the same thing the Church does, which is to make LRH out to be something other than what he was. But Marty goes one step further by trying to blame the abuses of the Church on DM, when in fact they are based in LRH policy. This is not my opinion; it’s fact, and it’s dead-easy to verify. LRH left a huge body of work, all of which is available on the Internet, including pre-reign-of-Slappy versions.

Problem is, the tech is huge and difficult for the uninitiated to understand. So that’s one of the reasons I established the blog – to counter Marty’s lies and to show that that the Scientology abuses blamed on DM are often as not based in LRH tech.

I should clarify one thing: These are real abuses, and by carrying them out, rather than putting an end to them, DM is every bit as guilty as LRH. In my book, they are both evil men.

The good news is that even without my help, most people can see what Scientology is. The general public sees the forest; Scientologists only see the trees. That’s why, for example, Panorama came out the way it did. The BBC sure as hell didn’t need my help. They didn’t leave most of Marty and Mike’s stuff on the cutting room floor because of some secret plot by DM or because they are being paid by psychiatrists or because the bits weren’t juicy enough. They did it because they are smart journalists, and they either thought that what Mike and Marty were saying was bullshit or irrelevant, or because they don’t think Marty’s personal vendetta against David Miscavige is all that important.

So, anyway, along the way, I’ve become something of a cheerleader for the protest movement. I use this blog as a pedestal to provide information and insight to protesters, which they can (hopefully) use as they protest in their own way.

Why do I do it? Because I think we all have an obligation to act out against evil. There is lots of evil in the world, and no one person can fight it all, but this is one bit of evil I understand better than others, so I do what I can to help.

Is this blog fueled by anger? Of course it is. I don’t think you can watch people pull the wool over the eyes of those who trust them and not get angry; that’s just human nature. (LRH labeled HE&R as a bad thing as a way to keep people from judging. Does HE&R get in the way of rational thought? Damn right it does, and that’s just as it should be, because emotions are the voice of our conscience. What LRH said about mis-emotion is actually pretty accurate.)

Is this blog fueled by hate? Not at all. I know it sounds that way to those who have been conditioned to think that any anti-Scientology or anti-LRH sentiments are hate speech. I always think about how what I write would sound if I swapped the word “Scientologist” for “Jew” or “Christian” or “Muslim.” I realize that if my tone is too harsh, I might well be working to the wrong end, convincing Scientologists that protesters are bad, hateful people. I may not always say things in the best way to get my meaning across, but I always speak from my heart. There’s no gradient here; I say what I think and feel.

Do I respect others viewpoints? I suppose that depends on how you look at it. I think I do, because I allow everyone to post whatever they want in the comments section, with no censoring or editing. But I don’t water down what I say because it might hurt someone’s feelings or upset their world view. To me, that’s not disrespect of others views; that’s patronizing. Scientology “tech” attempts to protect you from entheta, and Marty does the same. I don’t think you need to be protected. I think you’re smarter than that. If you have a different viewpoint, then by all means post a comment and say it. I don’t moderate comments (which Marty does – does that mean I have more respect for my readers’ viewpoints than Marty?). I only delete those that are obvious spam, so unless your viewpoint is “please her 2nite free shipping on viagra,” it will appear on my site.

Anyway, I hope this gives you some insight into why I write what I write, and what experiences have made me feel the way I do about Scientology. If I haven’t answered your questions, then please let me know, and I’ll fill in more.

By the way, it appears that Marty censored a comment that you wrote to me, so feel free to post it here.

And while we’re on the subject, Marty also censored another comment I wrote, in which I suggested that I suspected he didn’t really think I was OSA, but was merely trying to dead-agent me and/or position me with something his followers think is bad in order to make me seem distrustful. I went on to say that I honestly don’t care if Marty thinks I’m OSA, but if he did, then for goodness sake allow me to straighten him out, because he was evaluating on incorrect data – and with all the crap the Church pulls against him, he should know who really is OSA and who isn’t. Marty zapped that comment and still hasn’t emailed me, so draw your own conclusions as to whether Marty really thinks I’m OSA. As it happens, your observation that OSA would never let me post all this anti-LRH is probably correct – I imagine I’d be comm-ev’d and declared before you could say “entheta.” I think Marty is just trying to manipulate opinions of me, in case you somehow read my blog and decide I’m a reasonable guy (which I don’t expect you will). Like Church management, Marty does not appear to trust his followers to make their own judgments. But maybe that’s just my anger talking!

A heart-felt thank-you for hearing me out.

ML ,

Misdirectin’ Marty

When I read the opening line to Marty Rathbun’s latest blog entry (Worse Than Fair Game?), I got so excited!

I have been criticized by Scientology haters for not laying blame for the abuses and demise of the church of Scientology on L Ron Hubbard.

And then I read the next couple of sentences…

Some have pointed to my refusal to credit the Fair Game Policy… as being the chief motivating policy behind the evil and criminal deeds… My response was, and is, that 99% of staff, including the Sea Org, have not even heard of the Fair Game policy, so of course they do not apply it.

…and it totally killed my buzz. Here, I thought Marty might actually tell the truth, and instead he’s just using misdirection – an oft-used Scientology PR technique, best illustrated in this classic Heber Jentschz radio interview (direct link to MP3). Bring up the subject everyone wants to hear about, and then give a long-winded answer that has fuck-all to do with it.

In this case, Marty starts talking about “Fair Game” (SPs may be “tricked, sued, or lied to or destroyed”*) and then segues into a talk about Miscavige misinterpreting a Hubbard policy letter called “Responsibility of Leaders.”

(* Incidentally, Marty apparently is okay with the Fair Game policy. “At least there were some boundaries with Fair Game,” he writes. “You also had to be declared SP to receive that treatment.”)

Here’s the truth: As far as I know, no one (not even Marty) has tried to blame Fair Game on DM. But there are plenty of other Scientology abuses that Marty has tried to blame on DM, when there is ample written evidence of LRH’s responsibility. Among the ones we’ve discussed on this blog:

There are more, and you can count on reading more of them on this blog in the coming weeks.

Marty does bring up an interesting question: How can David Miscavige do the things he does? And the answer is simple: He’s following L. Ron Hubbard’s instructions. Marty may try to cover that up, but LRH left such an extensive written record that lying about his policies and intentions is a fool’s errand.

Marty, assuming you (or one of your disciples) are reading this: Nice try, and I’m sure David Miscavige would be proud, but Scientology protesters aren’t that stupid or gullible. You can try as hard as you like, but the truth always comes out… even the truth about L. Ron Hubbard.


Aaron Saxton on the Scientology mindset

Aaron Saxton, an ex-Scientologist and former Sea Org bad-ass, originally posted the following as a comment on ABCs of the RPF, but I thought it deserved a spot as a blog entry (for which Aaron has made a couple of edits and additions). I especially like the questions Aaron raises about what the Independents are doing with their time, energy and money. Read on for some great insights into the hive-mind of a Scientologist and why independent Scientology really isn’t any different from Scientology in the Church of Miscavige.

We can forget about the BS of trying to write off the responsibility of the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF) to someone else who wrote it and got it signed off by [Scientology founder] L. Ron Hubbard.

I have heard this line used many times about various policies. Let’s get one thing very straight, the RPF and the type of punishment that LRH dished out on the Ship was RIGHT THERE in front of him. It is fact that LRH would personally assign people to the RPF, including children in front of the musters for all to see. That is fact.

The RPF started because LRH would assign children and people to the Bilge Pumps to do demeaning work, often without food or water for long periods of time.

What is wrong with independent Scientologists like Marty and Mike?

It is simple and very sad – they can no longer evaluate. [Ed. note: In Scientology, auditors are taught not to evaluate what their preclears (subjects/clients) say, with the subtext that any evaluation is a bad thing.] That ability has been wiped. It was wiped by accepting a belief system that overrides any requirement to reason or question.

This DM stuff is wearing very thin. It was LRH that personally trained [current Church leader] David Miscagive from a child. If anything sent DM insane, it was Scientology, just like it did Marty, Mike, Otto, Bill Robertson, Mayo and every other major exec that has ever left there.

The disharmony in Marty’s life, Mike’s, DM’s, LRH’s with their family “suicides” and deaths is just the tip of the iceberg.

Did you know LRH authorised his Messengers to be able to assign anyone to the RPF without a Committee of Evidence? That is how most get there – assigned by Messengers. Usually based on hate and anger.

To date, Marty has failed to do the most obvious thing – show us proof that DM altered anything. Not a shred of proof.

And if anyone wants to know the real reason Mike and Marty do not spill the real beans on DM, it is because they have huge crimes, too – that they have not admitted to that includes murder and abduction.

If they spill the beans on DM about other activities, then they go down for it also. I would like to point out that Mike, nor Marty has given us the names of the operatives the Sea Org uses – I have met them, but do not know their names, and yet Marty and Mike have not even admitted that they even met these people at all.

After Marty screwed up BIG TIME in 93/94 & 95, DM never trusted Marty after that, he was always going to be a patsy that DM could later put stuff on. Because of this, Marty was always going to leave the SO and attack. DM and others knew this, so they made very sure he never got his nose into anything serious at all.

Greg Wilhere, Norman Starkey – these types KNOW stuff because they were trusted.

I truly love how the independents can attack any critic for any error, any color of bad character in a critic and find that reason enough to say “they are liars and should not be trusted”, yet the greatest liar proven time and time again – LRH – is to be trusted.

The warped thinking is really deep brainwashing.

When these guys were sitting in auditing chairs, they thought they were recalling memories to find out more information. They had no idea that their Synaptic gulfs were being dumped by neural transmitters and that they were rewiring to new pathways to create new memories and augment the ones that they already had. The reason why every bad or good thing that happens to an independent in their mind is either Affinity, Reality or Communication is because their brains have been rewired to auto select these options.

It is easy to do.

This same irrational computation is the same reason why they will not see LRH for what he was or Scientology. Their brains have been rewired.

And the only way to deprogram a brain is to cause a crash in it. And they will not let that happen and will try to avoid Scientologists from letting that happen.

You see, if they were to admit LRH was wrong, that would tear down the entire structure of their thinking and their brain. It can have serious consequences.

Rather than find anything wrong, they will only find anything that validates Scientology.

Funnily enough, Marty’s viewpoint is exactly like LRHs to other technology of the mind. Which is exactly the same as DM’s and the Sea Orgs viewpoint of other technology. They will create a religion, expel anyone that does not follow it all the while stating “you are free to think what you like” but you are not.

For people who think they are so different, they are almost identical and will give identical answers to life’s “most important questions.”

Anon can save the newbies and get the front doors reduced to a slow flow. As for the ones in there, do not give them much hope, they are pretty much done like a dinner.

Of all the people that were ever in Scientology, I only met but a handful that ever were capable of walking away from it and LRH.

Even Scientology’s biggest critics in Australia still sit there working out how they will go OT and working out how to find another path to eternal memory and life.

They are the saddest people.

These “ex’s” are so unreliable because at the end of the day, they are suffering from “battered wife’s syndrome” and still sit there today with their little Scientology books wondering about the true route to Operating Thetan.

They never left Scientology thinking. They just walked away from the abuse. They never understood what really happened or why they were duped.

The ones worth saving are the ones that are about to walk in the door and get the wrong answers to life’s questions.

If you want to know the biggest lie in Scientology, it is that when you first walk in there, and for years to come, grown adults look straight at you and tell you bullshit like “Yes, I can go exterior when I want to” and “OT VIII’s took out the Berlin wall and were secretly auditing there when it happened” and other crap like “In 1992 Hurricane Andrew didn’t hit the Fort Harrison hotel because we ‘willed it not to’.”

Grown adults lying straight at you telling you about all these abilities they do not even have. Children believe adults – and they fucking betray us with their weak minds and shitty dreams rather than reality.

Mike Rinder is getting money together to fight Scientology. He isn’t saving up money to get his kids through proper education when they finally get out of the SO.

Mike and Marty aren’t paying doctors to review people who have left the SO and Scientology to find out what damage the Purif or bad nutrition has done to them – they are saving up for an E-Meter.

Independents are getting their kids to Clear and OT. Screw meeting people in other countries, expanding their minds or getting a degree.

Their thinking is completely warped and they have the wrong priorities. You see, if they knew the truth about LRH at the start they (I hope) would never have gone into Scentology or the Sea Org – I know I wouldn’t and this is why millions will not now – they know the truth. Marty and his clan are in love with an image created about LRH that is fiction – it was a total lie, but now they defend the existence of a man who never actually existed.

The reality is that for 25 years these independents have been in Scn and stated for years they had marvelous wins – were they lying? Yes, they were, to themselves the whole time and they are about to do it all over again.

If these independents were for real then they would provide LRH tech for FREE to the world. Rather than posting all the books online for others to see, they post statements about DM. Rather than help homeless or better social issues, they help themselves. They handle their friends’ problems but will not handle their own children’s problems.


Whether or not they are in the C of S they will contribute to it by pushing LRH tech, they will buy books, they will buy e-meters. Either way, the C of S still makes a buck out of them.

Soon you will see front groups, corporations, trusts, property, tax incentives, it will all start to have a familiar smell to it. The same smell LRH gave it. DM did the same. Marty is doing the same. Soon his followers will be told that all critics are liars. Marty will show proof of this to them. Soon comments that offend Scientology will be removed. [Ed. note: Already happening!] Soon his followers neck deep in will not be able to question.

No independent has seen any evidence of changed or altered tech – just the “word” of a few people. If they go back and get the original LRH they will find it is almost identical and will have the same result – Marty will start to tell them who is a squirrel, who is a knock off and that his is the one true tech.

Sound familiar? Independents are suckers because they like it that way.

Scientologists claim to have above normal intelligence – bullshit bullshit bullshit.

I will pay $500,000 to a group of Independents – that are highly publicly visible if that group of 50 persons will outperform 50 members of Anon in a proper IQ test.

In fact, I challenge Nancy Many, Marty and his wife, Jim, Mike and Mike’s wife to take an official IQ test and an SAT in the next month.

If they can beat 6 members of Anon that I will randomly chose, I will go to the Shrine Auditorium and streak in front of DM.

The bet is on.

Wait to you see how fucking stupid and retarded these tossers really are.

It is a serious bet. I got the balls, I doubt they do.

Their excuse? It is not about IQ, it is about “knowing”… — Aaron Saxton